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Message 10 of 10
Posted by member Andy Mcmullan on Wednesday 1 July 2009

Hi Mark I'm not sure what the maximum recommended engine is for the 18 Motor Sailer, or if it has an engine well or just a bracket. Fitting a 50hp may not be suitable for the transom strength or the hull shape. Maybe it would be ok but things get complex with insurance if you start to venture past what Hp the boat is designed to take. Best to do plenty of research on this one. Giving Hardy a call for advice could be an option. Sometimes it could make more sense to sell up and get a different boat if the one you have isn't suitable for your cruising area. Cheers, Andy

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Message 9 of 10
Posted by member Mark Walton on Monday 29 June 2009

I would agree with the above if you are tidal then at least a 15hp I use a honda 15hp as my main and it struggles to get me anywhere fast in my H18 M/S. I am saving for a 50hp because I dare not risk the Menai Straits. The sails need plenty of wind and cannot be counted on to get you out of trouble.

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Message 8 of 10
Posted by member James on Monday 22 June 2009

I fitted a 15hp Mariner as my auxilary 4 years ago on my Family pilot 20 and use it as much as the main outboard (75hp mariner) very frugal fuel consumption an excellent motor for trolling and with enough grunt to get you out of trouble, I realise that I have gone OTT but I would advise anybody to go for the best that you can within your budget, I previously used a 4.4 yamaha which for a pilot used in coastal waters (Bristol channel)was bordering on dangerous and was the first thing to go when I purchased the boat, but I'm sure would be perfect for river use, has anyone else tried this combination?

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Message 7 of 10
Posted by member Andy Mcmullan on Saturday 13 June 2009

I fitted my saildrive prop to my 5hp 2-stroke motor and tried it out last night on my Pilot. The best speed I could get was about three knots. I played around with raising and lowering the motor and this seemed to make a big difference. With the bracket right down the motor revs varied alot with the throttle held wide open. There was a lot of water churning around the motor. Lifting the engine up let the motor rev out better and it seemed a bit happier. The revs still went up and down a bit and the max speed was still about 3 knots. Did the revs on your motor fluctuate like this Dominic? I was expecting a better result from the saildrive prop but I think it's better than the standard 8" pitch prop which was basically useless. I'm pretty satisfied that this engine will get me home if the tide and wind are favourable and it was definitely a wortwhile exercise testing the auxiliary engine out. Cheers, Andy

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Posted by member Dominic And Nicola Gribbin on Tuesday 9 June 2009

Hi Michael. We have a Yamaha 4hp 4 stroke auxillary. Once we flooded the main engine off Plymouth and had to limp back 5 miles to the Tamar. Actually, although it was ideal conditions i.e. calm & following tides, we limped in very easily. We locked off the auxillary and used the main engine as a rudder. It was surprisingy straightforward to steer if a little frustratingly slow and noisy (compared at least to a very quiet Honda 75hp main) Regards Dominic and Nicola.

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Posted by member Michael Herridge on Thursday 4 June 2009

I too would like to know more about the usefulness of auxiliary engines on a Pilot. Does anyone have any experience of using, say, 5hp in any sort of sea? I wonder too how easy it would be to steer... Michael

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Message 4 of 10
Posted by member Richard Gordon on Tuesday 2 June 2009

Thanks both. After a bit more sleuthing, what you both say is confirmed. Just not possible as all small tenders seem to require short shaft which just won't work on a Hardy 20 hull. I've opted for a plastic tender (BIC 245) and one of the small four stroke 2.5hp outboards. Will worry about auxiliary later. Interesting to know how often (or not) people have had to put their auxiliary to work. The boat I'm geting shortly has a (quite old, but sounds and runs well) Volvo Penta shaft drive?

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Posted by member Andy Mcmullan on Wednesday 27 May 2009

Richard I have a 5hp 2 stroke Mariner auxiliary on my Pilot. I tested the motor out a few days ago and the performance was very poor. I think it may be to do with the prop. These outboards have props as standard for light tenders and need a smaller pitch, say 6" instead of 8", to allow the engine to rev out and make decent power with the heavy boat. Well, that's the thoery anyway. I'm getting a 'sail drive' high thrust,low pitch prop for my engine and will report on the findings. It's also important to ensure that the aux motor can be deployed low enough to drive the boat properly and not come out of the water if it's choppy. These small single cylinder engines are a compromise between performance and weight. Ideally I would like a 9.9 Yamaha four stroke that I could actually get some decent use out of, rather that have the 5hp rotting on the bracket. That engine is pricey and pretty heavy. Most small tenders need a short shaft engine. You defo need a long shaft auxiliary on your Pilot. Not sure how well the long shaft would work on a tender, unless you could build your transom up or something. Whatever you do it would be an idea to test everything regularly to ensure it's ready to go in an emergency. I'm glad I deceided to try mine out. Cheers, Andy

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Message 2 of 10
Posted by member Richard Gordon on Tuesday 26 May 2009

I'm buying a Hardy 20 M/S (locating it to Strangford Lough) and want to get an outboard auxiliary. Ideally a 4 or 5HP long shaft which can double for the tender. Does anyone do this, does it make sense, and any advice on engine type, tender type and practicalities please?

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Posted by member Roger Piper on Tuesday 26 May 2009

I have 20 MS and thought about doing as you propose , however, I decided that the long shaft would cause problems with using the dingy in shallow water unless you are very careful. Also, 4hp would probably not be man enough for the job in any sort of seaway. Would have thought is 5 hp minimum acceptable size.

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