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Message 12 of 12
Posted by member Simon Kidd on Saturday 27 January 2018
Good luck with it Robert.
As long as the tank is correctly installed, with careful thought to hose routing (keep them away from the galley cooker!) you should find it'll fit.
We did have a 1987 Rover Pilot years ago and she had a stainless tank built into the aft port side cockpit locker - this worked ok - biut might be too much weight aft for you with the DF70.
Best Regards
Simon.
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Message 11 of 12
Posted by member Robert Sneddon on Tuesday 23 January 2018
Thank you Simon.
I think under the quarter berth is possibly the answer. If I go ahead I'll check out the engine spec and all the regs, as it would be pointless to install a tank and not have it comply with the boat safety scheme.
Will keep you posted.
Kind regards
Robert.
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Message 10 of 12
Posted by member Simon Kidd on Tuesday 23 January 2018
Hi Robert.
The extra Weight shouldn't pose a problem, the distance for the engine to draw the fuel may be a problem - check the engine owners and rigging manuals - they should detail the distances for fuel feeds. I surveyed a Pilot 20 with a DF70A last year - she had a stainless tank built in under the quarter berth - this seemed to have performed well in the past. My concern with having the tank in the bow is excess movement of the tank installation when in the rough or on the plane. It would be better I think to have the water tank forward and the fuel tank aft.
Though you are not required, I'd very strongly advise that any fixed fuel tank is installed in compliance with the Boat Safety Scheme - https://www.boatsafetyscheme.org . Compliance is not difficult and guides you through the fitment of the filler and vents, hose types (ISO7840 or SAEJ1527) tank and filler electrical bonding if metal tanks and fillers are used etc etc..
I hope the above helps.
Best Regards
Si
HOC Tech Sec.
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Message 9 of 12
Posted by member robert sneddon on Saturday 13 January 2018
January 2018 and I'm now thinking of all the possible improvements to my Hardy Pilot prior to launch at Easter weekend.
As I cruise the west coast of Scotland fuel availability I find is always an
Issue.
I carry the usual 2 X 25 Ltr tanks in the outboard well but also carry an extra 30 litres in the forward vee rather than increase the weight at the stern. My thoughts are to try and increase the 30 Ltr tankage in the bow if possible and fix the tank in a permanent position piped back to the engine. This would certainly ease my lugging of the fuel tank to the stern when I need to switch over.
My intention would be to fit an external filler through the deck. This would all be subject to the tank size to make it worthwhile.
Any advice would be appreciated as to the feasibility of this idea.
I run a Suzuki DF70 so would it be able to draw the fuel from the bow?
Would extra weight up front be an issue?
Are there better solutions to extra fuel capacity.
Kind regards
Robert
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Message 8 of 12
Posted by member Kerry Lord on Monday 21 April 2008
You're welcome to hop on and have a look at Annie's next time you're at the club if you like Fernley. The helm wiper is Hardy original fit, but the port side one is Vetus I think. Kerry
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Message 7 of 12
Posted by member Fernley Harris on Thursday 7 June 2007
PLEASE,
COULD ANY ONE ADVISE ME ON THE PURCHASE OF WIPER BLADES FOR MY HARDY PILOT 20 SE. THE WIPER MOTORS ARE AMERICAN MANUFACTERED, AND THE CHANDLERS I HAVE APPROACHED HAVE STATED THE VETUS UNIVERSAL SHOULD FIT THEM. THEY DO NOT,THEY ARE TO LONG, I HAVE CONTACTED HARDY BUT THEY WERE UNABLE TO HELP ME.
THANKYOU IN ADVANCE,
FERNLEY.
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Message 6 of 12
Posted by member Dominic And Nicola Gribbin on Sunday 30 April 2006
Hi Kim.
Yes, the Family Pilot just fits (with careful measurement) a standard screw-down type deck filler in front of the fwd cabin window (port or stbd side) in the flat GRP area immediately between deck tread and vertical face of window surround.
We used a triangular 100 litre Plastimo water holder stored below the fwd cabin triangular seat top. A plastic tube will neatly run up the curve of the inner hull through the small shelf (side of) in the fwd-most front cabin to meet the deck filler itself. The sink supply tube will neatly run the length of the boat fitted behind and under the back rests wooden brackets using plastic tube clamps. An easy job to undertake and looks like it should have been there all the time!
Trim tabs are a very personal matter but we use 9'' x 12'' (transom edge) stainless-steel 'Lectro-Trim' tabs purchased from A.S.A.P supplies. Find on web.
They have transformed our boat's sea handling and economy with our Honda 75hp set up! (ref. earlier threads). I personally recommend fitting them if you are going to be using the Pilot inshore. No point if only for river work.
Hope this helps. Keep the questions coming .
Regards
Dominic.
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Message 5 of 12
Posted by member Kim Maclean on Wednesday 26 April 2006
hi Dominic and Nicola, thanks for the reply, first of many questions im sure ...... did you ever find a workable soloution to the deck filler dilema? and a quick question on trim tabs .... what type and size do you use and can you recomend a supplier..... thanks in advance Kim
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Message 4 of 12
Posted by member Dominic And Nicola Gribbin on Monday 24 April 2006
Hi Kim, Ref. question above
Not on this matter specifically but in the meantime, feel free to e-mail me at domgrib@yahoo.com for any further questions/info on our experiences with fixed tank installation in a Family Pilot.
You are right. This would make a useful article for HOC. I am curently doing one on our upgrade to all round alluminium windows incl. sliding openers for HOC. Hopefully for Summer edition. Still waiting for windows to be made by the manufacturers!
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Message 3 of 12
Posted by member Kim Maclean on Sunday 23 April 2006
Hi, did you ever publish an article, if so which issue and is it possible to buy a back copy? thanks
Kim
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Message 2 of 12
Posted by member Dominic Gribbin on Friday 3 June 2005
Yes, we fitted fixed tanks to our 1993 Pilot and they are great!
Used Plastimo 53 litre tanks in parallel, secured by tension straps under the aft cockpit centre seat (ie fuel well). Fit perfectly with no encroachment on cabin space. All cobnnected to twin feed water seperator unit.
Gives great range (70 to 80 miles on our Honda 75). Need to fit tank breathers. We fitted them high over the transom (under gunnell combing). We also added two seperate bespoke fuel level sender units with two seperate guages in helm bulkhead.
Gives safety through redundancy.
Yet to sort out deck filler situation and filling in situ in well for meantime. Not ideal but position for filers will take some lateral thought. Suggestions appreciated here.
You have given me a great idea. This is a good article for the HOC magazine.
Hope this helps
Dominic.
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Message 1 of 12
Posted by member Pete French on Thursday 26 May 2005
Has anyone any advice on the merits of a fixed fuel tank for the Pilot? How big can these tanks be before they steal cockpit space? How do Hardy fit them as an option?
I like the idea of increased range, tidying up the area below the engine well and deck filling, but am concerned by loss of access to the bilge well below my portable tanks, and positions of vents, etc. Also, are there any Boat Safety Scheme issues?
If anyone would be prepared to e-mail pictures of a fixed tank in-situ, I would be very grateful.
Regards, Pete
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