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Message 25 of 25
Posted by member Anthony Weald on Sunday 7 February 2021

Thanks Nick I'd be interested to see what you come up with as a replacement. I sometimes get the same issue dripping onto port seat position after heavy rain. Tony

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Message 24 of 25
Posted by member Nick Morgan on Friday 5 February 2021

Hi Tony,
Thanks for that, I'll check out the catalogue and as we have a local store I'll get something this weekend.
I've had great fun trying to put a cover over the sliding roof as there are 2 antennas, a radar reflector and a satnav antenna all within an inch of the leading edge of the sliding roof. I hope the seals work.
Thanks

Nick

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Message 23 of 25
Posted by member Anthony Weald on Thursday 4 February 2021

Hi Nick, looking thru the Toolstation on line catalogue (while searching for something else) I see they have a variety of brush seals. Might be worth a look for a replacement for yours.
Thanks, Tony

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Message 22 of 25
Posted by member Nick Morgan on Monday 1 February 2021

Hello, I have a Mariner 25, Seabird, and over the last couple of years after heavy rain I have found a puddle on the port side at the helm's position and thought I had resolved the problem with resealing an antenna and resealing the bond between the wheelhouse moulding and the deck just below the forward windows.

However, yesterday I found a puddle and water dripping from the edge of the sliding roof on the forward port corner. I can't work out how the water would build up enough to overflow the drainage spaces around the sliding roof. Any suggestions or advice?

Where can I get replacement brush seals?

Many thanks.

Nick M

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Message 21 of 25
Posted by member Simon Papendick on Sunday 27 December 2020

Hi Kevin,

If your boat as stanchions I would look at the fixings for them, especially the thru bolts and the screws that go into the bulwarks, The screws are a source of a leak after a lot of years as the fixing come loose and let water track down the inside of the bulwarks and come out along the bottom of the bulwarks in the area of the toilet compartment and sometimes the port side. It is normally the starboard side as most of the time it is the side many people moor their boats and the stanchions sometimes get hit by other boat's topsides or fenders or quaysides. So I would look at removing the fixings for the stanchions first before going down the route of plastic fender replacement as that job that is a major headache and a job not to be undertaken lightly.

Regards

Simon

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Message 20 of 25
Posted by member Kevin T Robertson on Sunday 27 December 2020

* This the 2nd photo

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Message 19 of 25
Posted by member Kevin T Robertson on Sunday 27 December 2020

* Happy Xmas to you All. I hope your all keeping well.

I have taken a couple of photos of where the water ingress is coming into the cabin area.

1st photo is in behind the galley area Stbd side up under the gunnel/deck. 2nd photo is in the toilet compartment where I tore down the old linning.

I'm dreading it's leaking bad from in under the rubber fender. I removed the hand rails and sealed all the old holes up and there is no differance to the water coming in. I have checked the scuppers but they all look ok.

What's your thoughts on this Simon? Source new rubber and just replace it and repair as I do it?
Kevin

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Message 18 of 25
Posted by member Nick Askham on Monday 30 November 2020

Hi Robert et al
Thanks to everyone for all the help. Because of the weather and time of the year I am unlikely to delve further into this problem and just hope that I don't get too much water inboard. However, having taken note of Simon's suggestions regarding the scuppers, I cleaned up the area by removing what looked like silicone sealant and gave it a coating from a gelcoat repair kit that I'd had for some time. Since then there's been no water ingress; but also it's probably fair to say that there hasn't been any of the really heavy rain that we sometimes get. Something to monitor and maybe tackle again in the spring.
Robert, I will retain your mobile number and perhaps give you a call and pick your brains when the time comes.
Merry Christmas to all.
Nick Askham.

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Message 17 of 25
Posted by member Kevin T Robertson on Friday 20 November 2020

Hi,

I'm very sure my problem is from under the rubber fender.
I'm back at work just now but home in 3 weeks so I'll have a look then and hopefully not break the white strip 🙈.
I'll try and remember to take a few photos and keep you updated.
Kevin

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Message 16 of 25
Posted by member Robert Sneddon on Sunday 15 November 2020

Hi Nick
Sorry I donít have any photos but if you tease out the end of the white infill strip starting at the stern ( I used a flat screwdriver ) then you can gently work along removing it from the centre of the rubber fender. Itís only the shape of the strip that secures it in place, there are no clips or anything. Be careful, donít pull hard on the strip as it may have become hardened with age and you donít want to snap it.
Feel free to give me a call. 07971099515.
Kind regards
Robert

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Message 15 of 25
Posted by member Nick Askham on Wednesday 11 November 2020

Hi Robert & Simon

That's very interesting what you say about water ingress via the rubber fender on your Family Pilot. I also have water coming in, also mainly on the port side. When last at the boat I had looked at the fender area as I've thought that it could be the culprit. I noted that the white infil strip feels loose but don't know how to remove it. I am assuming that the rivet heads are below that strip. Either way I would really appreciate if you are able to give me a step by step account of how to remove the strip and the fender, maybe you even have some photos.

Regards and thanks,

Nick.

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Message 14 of 25
Posted by member Robert Sneddon on Saturday 7 November 2020

Hello Kevin
I had water ingress coming down the inside of the cabin wall on my Family Pilot. After many checks and sealing here and there, I removed the black rubber fender and found some of the sealer cracked and loose.
Gentle remove the centre bead infill and as Simon mentioned carefully drill out the rivet heads, this will allow you to remove the fender. I only removed the port side as thatís where I had the problem. I removed all the damaged material thoroughly cleaned and resealed. Refitted the fender using stainless self tapping screws. Refitting the centre beading with the help of some washing up liquid and a homemade chisel shaped piece of wood to push it back into place. I had to support the fender with some strong twine as due to the COVID restrictions I was working alone.
Iíve had no sign of any water coming in since.
Hope this helps.
Kind regards
Robert

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Message 13 of 25
Posted by member Simon Papendick on Saturday 7 November 2020

Hi Kevin,

Could you please send me a photo of the area you think is causing you the problem. The top black fendering on the Hardy Pilot does not make holes that would not normally cause water to come into the boat. The only way it could happen is if there was a crack in the joint between the hull and the bulwark and then if there were a void between the two faces of the hull and the bulwark then it could do it then. The only way to know if that had happen would be to drill out the pop rivet heads holding the black plastic fendering in position and looking at the joint. If that is the case that there is a crack in the joint then you would have to clean out the joint and inject epoxy resin into the cracked joint and the clean the joint and gel coat over the joint as added protection.

Regards
Simon Papendick

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Message 12 of 25
Posted by member Kevin T Robertson on Saturday 7 November 2020

Hi Simon & Nick.

Hope your all keeping well.

Just an update. I removed the handrail Stanchions and glassed over all the holes. But sadly there is still water coming into the cabin.

I'm now starting to think it must be from in under the rubbing strip. Have you ever been aware of this issue Simon.

And are they easy enough to remove and refit again?

Kevin

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Message 11 of 25
Posted by member Nick Askham on Sunday 1 November 2020

Hi Simon,

Many thanks for another speedy reply. Thanks for confirming my queries regarding the scuppers. I will examine the area thoroughly when I get to the boat tomorrow and plan the course of action.
Many thanks for all your help.

Kind regards,

Nick Askham.

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Message 10 of 25
Posted by member Simon Papendick on Sunday 1 November 2020

Hi Nick,
The scuppers on a family pilot are the holes that are cut into the bulwarks at the aft end of the side decks at the side decks lowest point.

Regards
Simon Papendick

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Message 9 of 25
Posted by member Nick Askham on Sunday 1 November 2020

Hi Simon,

Thanks for your speedy reply. Maybe I am being dense here, but I presume that I am right in thinking that the scuppers are, in fact, the "holes" throught the deck sides that let water out from on the decks. Please put me right if I am incorrect.
You say that the scupper joint is close to the botttom of the hull to deck joint and that it can split. If indeed mine has such a split, will I be able to see it fairly clearly looking at the scupper? It's just that I'm not absolutely sure that we are both "singing from the same hymn sheet", so to speak.
Regards and thanks,
Nick.

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Message 8 of 25
Posted by member Simon Papendick on Sunday 1 November 2020

Hi Nick,
The scupper joint is fairly close to the bottom of the hull to deck joint and so it is an area that can sometimes split and let water go through the joint. In some cases I have fibreglassed the area of the scuppers to re-enforce the joint area and then tackled the scupper joint with a demel tool. Cleaning out the split and applying a thickened epoxy resin into the split and then sanded back once it has cured and then re-gelcoated the area of the repair and that has worked well in the past and the scuppers have been okay.

Regards
Simon Papendick

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Message 7 of 25
Posted by member Nick Askham on Sunday 1 November 2020

Hi Simon - many thanks for your reply. My Pilot does't have stanchions so I can rule that out as a possible source of the ingress of water. When I looked at the scupper on Friday and removed the old sealant, I thought that as I have a small gelcoat repair kit that I might try adding a thin layer to the area to see if that helps. Of course with the now certain lockdown on the horizon it might just "scupper" further attempts; I guess it will have to be put on hold. If you have any further suggestions then they would be gratefully accepted.
Regards and thanks,
Nick Askham.

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Message 6 of 25
Posted by member Simon Papendick on Saturday 31 October 2020

Hi Nick,
Is your family pilot fitted with sanctions as this is another possible cause of leaks as the fixing come loose over the years and if not resealed will cause leaks.
Regards
Simon Papendick

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Message 5 of 25
Posted by member Nick Askham on Saturday 31 October 2020

Hi Kevin and Simon - this is interesting as I have a similar problem with my Pilot. I have found water in a port side locker, an additional one forward of the originally fitted one, and the area beneath the cooker and wash basin. I also get a little on the starboard side of the boat. I wondered if it might be the scuppers, though hitherto had suspected that somehow water was getting under the rubber on the gunwale, and yesterday inspected the port side, next to the pontoon. It had what appeared to be a thin layer of silicon sealant that was somewhat deteriorated. I scraped it off and put some gorilla tape on it in an effort to see if there is any difference. It certainly seems to coincide with the heavy rain we've had of late. Of course tonight's news of the imminent lockdown won't help in remedying the problem. Any further help and advice would be appreciated.
Regards and thanks, Nick Askham.

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Message 4 of 25
Posted by member Simon Papendick on Saturday 31 October 2020

Hi Kevin,
The way that i have repaired these in the past it to blank off the inside face of the scupper with heavy duty black tape. Used a demel tool and cleaned out the area and dried it out well with a heat gun on a low setting to ensure the area is dry. Then mix up some thickened epoxy and fill the void and when it as cured then re-gelcoat the surface to match the original .

Regards

Simon Papendick

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Message 3 of 25
Posted by member Kevin T Robertson on Friday 30 October 2020

Hi Simon,

Thank you for the reply.

I found one of the scuppers to have a slight opening in the joint. So I plan to clean and open it slightly then seal it.

Hopefully this fixes the issue.

Kevin

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Message 2 of 25
Posted by member Simon Papendick on Wednesday 28 October 2020

Hi Kevin,

The most likely place to look at is the stanchion bases bolted through the gunwales as this is a place that over the years is a likely place to start. I have known that this is a good place to start or the scuppers that are cut through the gunwale which sometimes splits and lets water go through joint and come out at the bottom of the gunwale in the area which you are talking about.

Regards

Simon Papendick
J-Star Marine Services
07534045729
Former Hardy Marine Employee1983 to 1990

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Message 1 of 25
Posted by member Kevin T Robertson on Tuesday 27 October 2020

Hi All,

I am having an issue with water leaking into the cabin of my Hardy 25. I am doing a lot of work to her and have her all stripped.

There is water that seems to be coming in below the gunwale in the area of the aft window.

I suspect it was coming from around the fittings for the hand rails. I have now removed them all and sealed all the holes. But there still seems to be alittle water getting in during heavy rain.

Is there any chance it can be getting in around the rubber fender?

Anyone have experience with this same issue.

Kevin

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