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Message 10 of 10
Posted by member Graham Clay on Monday 5 August 2019

John - we own a Pilot 20 and she's about a ton and a half all up with a 75hp outboard etc. So unless you own a Landrover Discovery or similar, I wouldn't want to tow her, even with a braked trailer. Having said that, to judge by the number of photos of them sitting on twin-axle trailers when we were researching our purchase, people clearly do tow, although maybe only to a winter storage site?
Graham Clay

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Message 9 of 10
Posted by member Hardy Editor on Sunday 28 July 2019

Ahoy Everyone,
I've been so busy of late, that I've not had the time to come on to post anything to you all.

I've been HOC Editor for over 10 years now and a comprehensive sheet outlining layouts & specs dating back from early Hardy craft on is one of the projects I have been trying to do.

It is a slow process, what with everything else going on and also the fact that we have only just recently managed to digitise the whole magazine archive and make them available to members on our website (with assitance from Alan Barrett) - so I hope you have found a moment to glance through these.

In the first instance, there is a lot of information in the original magazines about these craft when they were first launched, which makes for interesting and useful reading. However, I will be compiling a section with specific information gleaned from what information is still available - a few old original brochures supplied to me by John Hardy and Andrew Andrews, which I have been trying to make a complete set of. Additionally I know that Simon Kidd has a few brochures, but as the years pass these items do get lost and this is why I am still searching for some of the rarer information myself.

I will get there though, as this is my next quest, and has been on the back burner for some time, so rest assured it will happen soon. John our Webmaster is brilliant and very patient with my requests to organise new areas on the website to support more information and hopefully we can address this issue properly soon. We do already have some technical info published on the website, but we could do with extending this. Keep posting and talking to each other in the meantime, as this is often the best way to make things happen, and we do read your posts.

Just for your information, we have recently started within the magazine a new ‘Trailing’ section, for those who wish to participate, instigated by Tony Eden (see p26 of THO 136, Spring 2019).

Keep safe on the water and have a good rest of the season. All the best, Marie.

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Message 8 of 10
Posted by member john brooks on Sunday 28 July 2019

Thanks for the replies.
It is interesting finding out about the differences between models, so thanks again Simon.
I wonder if it would be an idea to have on the forum a sort of "basics" page that lists the weights & layouts of the models? If there already is one, I can not find it.

Robert sneddon, the intention was to be able to tow to and launch from different areas, probably for a 2 week cruise, rather than be based at (for example) Sandhaven or Rosehearty which are local to me.

However, that could change depending on what I end up with :-).
John.

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Message 7 of 10
Posted by member Simon Papendick on Sunday 28 July 2019

Hi John,

The weight of the Regatta 19 is halfway between the Navigator 18 and the Pilot 20, however the Regatta 19 has the same underwater profile of the Navigator 18 in that it has little or no keel to keep on track at slow speeds, however, there is more room in the Regatta 19 than the Navigator 18.

Regards

Simon Papendick

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Message 6 of 10
Posted by member Robert snedd9n on Saturday 27 July 2019

Hello John
Can I ask, would you be intending to tow to various different locations or berthing somewhere for the season and exploring from there.
Regards
Robert.

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Message 5 of 10
Posted by member Simon Papendick on Saturday 27 July 2019

Hi John,

The weight of the Regatta 19 is halfway between the Navigator 18 and the Pilot 20, however the Regatta 19 has the same underwater profile of the Navigator 18 in that it has little or no keel to keep on track at slow speeds, however, there is more room in the Regatta 19 than the Navigator 18.

Regards

Simon Papendick

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Message 4 of 10
Posted by member john brooks on Friday 26 July 2019

As an addendum,
Does anyone know the basic weight of the Regatta 19 model?
John.

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Message 3 of 10
Posted by member john brooks on Friday 26 July 2019

Thanks for the reply Simon.
At the moment for me then , I would have to rule out the Pilot due to its extra weight, as unless I am mistaken, they were around 1 tonne unladen, excluding the engine.
Add in all the gear, and I would be very close to the limit of what my car can tow. ( I have a maximum tow weight of 2 tonnes, and I like to keep some in reserve.
Any other thoughts are gratefully received.
Thanks,
John.

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Message 2 of 10
Posted by member Simon Papendick on Friday 26 July 2019

Hi John,
There is only a Navigator 18 and a Pilot 20 ever build, There was never a Pilot 18 build, They are completely different boats. The Navigator 18 started life as the Hardy 537 and was renamed the Navigator 18 after a while, The Hardy 537 was a motor Sailer which then turned into a motor boat with a different underwater profile and the was the Navigator 18.

The Pilot 20 was 20 feet long and all together a different boat, with a deep keel at the aft end of the keel and so would keep its course at slow speed where as the Navigator 18 had little or no keel and would lose direction at slow speed and was effected by cross winds.

If you had a Shetland 570 before, I would go for the Pilot 20 as it as more room and good sea keeping and can handle rough seas better than the Navigator 18.

Kind Regards

Simon Papendick
Former Hardy Marine employee 1983 to 1990

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Message 1 of 10
Posted by member john brooks on Friday 26 July 2019

Hello,
I am looking (because of my limited budget) between the Navigator 18 and the Pilot 18.
I am aware that these are trailerable boats which is reasonably important to me.

Are there any major differences between the sea worthiness (and handling) of the two?

For inshore waters and (for example) touring the west coast of Scotland islands, are there any opinions as to which would be better suited?

(For info, my previous boat was a Shetland 570 with a 115 outboard)

Any info/opinions would be gratefully received.
Thanks,
John.

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