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Message 48 of 48
Posted by member Simon Kidd on Monday 27 March 2017

Hi Malcolm. That sounds like a Volvo 2003 engine? If it's just a spring, would a precision engineers not be able to make one for you? Or if nothing similar available from another supplier. I have found that various parts from engine suppliers are no longer available, but then found that other manufacturers also used the same part and still supply spares. If it's a fuel pump - might be worth finding the maker and seeing if any other engines were fitted with the same or a similar unit. Failing that, keep an eye out on ebay, and quite a few of the 2000 series engine are coming up for replacement now and the odd engine or spares come up for sale. In terms of replacement engines - it depends on what you have. If you have a V drive with an inboard engine driving a shaft via a "V drive box", then you'd likely be looking for a nice little Yanmar, Beta, Nanni or Vetus diesel - the Kubota engines by Beta and Nanni tend to be lovely units - I use them day in day out on a yacht Taxi - super things. You'll be surprised what comes on the market on ebay / apollo duck - but as ever, be careful. "Lancing Marine" would be well worth you talking to - for engine replacement and just for parts.. The even do a conversion kit for the 1.6 and 1.8L ford diesels - much like the old Mermaid Meteor engines - though maybe a little too big.

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Message 47 of 48
Posted by member Malcolm Jarman on Tuesday 14 February 2017

I have a Hardy Fisher 20 with an inboard diesel Volvo penta 3 engine, 28hp, which is now showing signs of ageing. I understand the engine to be V line.The cold start mechanism does not work. My mechanic tells me that a spring has broken within this and it is not possible to buy a replacement. Any suggestions of ways around this...or where I may get a replacement engine in good condition ?

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Message 46 of 48
Posted by member Maikel Kivits on Monday 27 September 2010

I have a suzuki DF90 4 stroke behind mine and goes verry nice approx 45 KM/h

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Message 45 of 48
Posted by member Andy Mcmullan on Friday 27 August 2010

The max recommeded by Hardy is 75hp. I have an 80hp Yamaha 4-stroke on mine which is the nearest Yam have to 75hp in their range. Cheers, Andy

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Message 44 of 48
Posted by member Adoine on Wednesday 4 August 2010

whats the most hp you can put on a hardy pilot 20

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Message 43 of 48
Posted by member Ewan on Saturday 26 June 2010

info for anyone who is trying to work out fuel consuption I have just bought a Hardy 20 family pilot with a 50hp Susuki 4 stroke , I sailed her from Stornoway on the west of Scotland to the Isle of Skye, it took 5 hours at 9.9 knots av and it burned 15 gallons of fuel, about 2.5 lts / mile , weather was flat calm and the boat would not go on the plane so it was displacement speed only, going to re engine to 75hp+

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Message 42 of 48
Posted by member Steve Hook on Sunday 23 May 2010

Hi Brian.......What Pilot do you have? a family Pilot or a River Pilot Also what age is the boat? & are you aware that not all pilots have the same hull shape & therefore perform diferent.....In addition the most critical area for getting a "Pilot" up on the plane is a propellor that will alow the engine to achieve max revs & the height that the engine is mounted on the transom.....I fitted a Yamaha 80 to my family pilot & there were no issues with the insurance when I spoke to them (Knox Johnsen)

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Message 41 of 48
Posted by member Brian Le Cornu on Saturday 22 May 2010

Hi All, Have been reading through the threads on this subject, and can make the following observations: I cruise in the area of the Channel Islands with a Pilot 20 fitted with a 90 hp Evinrude Fich. I can confirm that the Pilot 20, and I believe it's successor the Bosun, are good sea worthy craft. Originally fitted with a Mercury 75hp, I found this to be under powered when 4 or more up and often had to use full throttle for extended periods, hence the eventual upgrade to 90hp. A word of warning however regarding insurance, unless you make special arrangements with your insurer, which I found quite difficult, you will NOT be covered in the event of a claim because the manufacturer's maximum power recommendation was 75hp! As regards fuel consumption, my calculations have shown that on the plane at 16 knots in a slight/moderate seaway with 4 up I am burning 1.5 litres per nautical mile. This increases to 2 litres at maximum revs giving 22 knots.

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Message 40 of 48
Posted by member Geoffrey Ball on Sunday 9 May 2010

I have an Hardy 18 motorsailor with a 10 hp diesel saildrive.You get less cockpit space but it works well.Good luck

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Message 39 of 48
Posted by member Geoffrey Ball on Sunday 9 May 2010

I have an Hardy 18 motorsailor with a 10 hp diesel saildrive.You get less cockpit space but it works well.Good luck

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Message 38 of 48
Posted by member Kamil Kemal Guller on Thursday 29 April 2010

I am looking at ROTA fisher 6.60 in Turkey same design boats I would like to buy but do not know about sea worthy. Can you tell me about Hardy on a rough sea. thanks Kemal Guller I think Rota is same as Hardy

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Message 37 of 48
Posted by member K Royden on Sunday 13 December 2009

i have a hardy 18 fisherman . the model with the small wheel house on the fron. looks like a mini trawler. best boat i have ever owned. originly has a 50 hp on the back maximum according to hardys, a complete waste of time. i put a 90 hp mariner optimaxi get 38 knots, very easily on the plane and no bow steer when i come off the throttle. bost handles it with ease and actually more economical than the original 50hp. forget trim tabs, fins etc just go for a big engine.

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Message 36 of 48
Posted by member William C on Tuesday 27 October 2009

hi there,i am interested in a hardy 18 navitgator and i am wondering some facts,whats the biggest engine you would recommend,also whats the sea keeping abilitys???i would really like 1 for some weekend cruising and wouldn want to get caught short,anybody i speak to says they are great sea boats,but they are the seller after all...kind regards william

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Message 35 of 48
Posted by member Eddy on Sunday 20 September 2009

My big foot serial no 90580260 what is the year model?? and i have manual tilt how do change to power trim and tilt??

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Message 34 of 48
Posted by member Steve Hook on Sunday 17 May 2009

Hi Ron....To attract more attention can I suggest that you start a new topic (inboard engine for Pilot 20)...There are some articals in past mags ref to inboards.....suggest contact editor/sec for back issues.....I have a 80hp outboard on a pilot 20 feel free to call 0797 495 2877 to discuss if req Regards Steve

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Message 33 of 48
Posted by member Ron Morse on Saturday 16 May 2009

I am really keen to buy a Hardy and have been searching for over a year. I've found a very clean 20 with a Volvo Penta 105hp inboard diesel. This seems quite unusual (most smaller Hardys seen so far having outboards). I'd be interested in knowing if anyone has any experience of an inboard in a Hardy. Ron (membership application in post!)

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Message 32 of 48
Posted by member Andy Mcmullan on Saturday 16 May 2009

Hi Ron I went to test a diesel Pilot with the 78 (approx) hp version of this engine. I found the motor to be very noisey and the large engine box restricted the cockpit space. I ended up buying an outboard engined Pilot SE with an 80hp 4-stroke. For me the quietness of the motor is more suitable to my leisure application and with a modest number of hours per season, I don't find the fuel cost excessive. Motor Boats Monthly have a buyers guide boat test on a Pilot with the 58hp engine. They found the noise level satisfactory so I suppose it's all relative really. This boat made about 7 knots flat out. I remember reading that the 105 diesel is the only one that will give good planing performance. The disesl also makes all up weight significantly more than an outboard engined boat. I think I have seen 1.5 tonnes quoted in a Hardy brochure compared to about 1170Kg for a boat with a 75-80Hp 4-stroke. Adding in a trailer and gear would take this well over 2 tonnes which might be an issue depending on the tow vehicle. There is a couple of threads on here about the diesel Pilot. Worth having a rummage for. Getting a sea trial will obviously be the best way to see if the diesel suits your needs. Cheers, Andy

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Message 31 of 48
Posted by member Andy Mcmullan on Sunday 10 May 2009

Some info here on the Yamaha F80 4-stroke fuel consumption and other Yamaha's. http://www.yamaha-motor.at/Images/2006_Outboards_Yamaha-testfacts_tcm29-108074.pdf At the start of the article it mentions 25 Litres an hour at full throttle. Obviously this is just a guide as the boat in the test is very different to the Pilot but I find that my consumption isn't far off this, although I haven't tried to measure it accuratley. I have an F80 fitted to a 1998 Pilot SE. Cheers Andy

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Message 30 of 48
Posted by member Mike Hatch Can'T Remember No on Saturday 9 May 2009

Hi Steve Be glad to hear from you when you get here. Please call us on 0030 26450 31361 and arrange to meet for a chat! Actually leaning towards getting a 60HP when I can afford it. but second hand if I can find a not-expensive one !! Best Wishes Mike

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Message 29 of 48
Posted by member Marwin In Norway on Thursday 7 May 2009

Have commented motor size og theese boats earlier in this forum My opinion is that minimum motors is 50 Hp for the 17 feet, 65 Hp for the Regatta (+Seawings 195), 75 Hp for the Pilot (To get the boats in plane (19knots+) if they not are too havely loaded). Have also asked Hardy company about many things on theese boats, (motor size, rope fender and top canopy,) but they was not able to answ./not interested in "small old boats" I`m sorry to say. I have 75 Hp Evinrude eTec on my Regatta, not to get higher speed (top 26 knots) but to get her faster up in plane, AND drive moore economicaly (at 19 - 20 knots). Best of luck. Marwin in Norway (marwin@marelko.com)

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Message 28 of 48
Posted by member Steve Hook on Saturday 2 May 2009

Hi Mike We were in contact a couple of months ago via this site..I should be out to levkas soon so will give you a call if your around......I Know exactly what you mean some of the figures on the performance data base must be incorrect.....What I can say is that when I had a 50 4stroke Mariner on my 94 pilot I could not get over 12 knots so could not get on the plane.....Upgraded to Yam 80 & now the pilot gets up & reaches 23Knts ...Roger breese also has a 94 pilot with a 50 Honda...& has been swaping props to achive higher speed...he still cant get on the plane & only achives about 11 Knts.....Unfortunatly i cant give you fuel consumption figures as ive only had the 80 for a short while...If Andy Mcullan is reading this he may have more info as he has an 80 but i think on a Bosun which has a different hull shape As far as im aware there are no manufacturers numbers or graphs...When i contacted Hardy About trying to get the best out of my 50 they were a bit loss & of no use. If your going to re engine then definatly give the 50 a miss & go for the larger size i can also confirm that a 80 4stroke Yam on a 94 Pilot will fully tilt in the engine well & Just be clear of the water.......You can always ask some local guys with similar size weight boats what consumption they are achieving...I know its not percice & dependanton use/speed but it may help ..Best of luck.. Steve Hook

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Message 27 of 48
Posted by member Mike Hatch Can'T Remember No on Friday 1 May 2009

I live in Vassiliki in the Ionian. Have a 50 HP Hardy but want to either re-engine with either a new 50HP or go up to a 70 or 75 HP. Normally two on board (wife and I) and calmish seas mostly 3/4 or less other wise we don't go out. Been looking at the database and pretty confused by the performance data for the engines. There are a lot of figures for about top speeds of arounds 19-25 (presumably knots) showing fuel consumption from 1.5/up to around 5.6 gallons hour with others which are obviously a mistake ?? Are there any Manf's published sensible numbers or graphs for this data anywhere ? Mike

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Message 26 of 48
Posted by member John Watt on Monday 16 March 2009

Hi Can anyone tell me where I can buy the frame poles for a cockpit cover, to fit a Hardy fishing 20? Cheers John

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Message 25 of 48
Posted by member Andy Mcmullan on Wednesday 4 February 2009

Steve Good luck with the installation. I think I would rather have my boat slightly under propped, to enable me to get on the plane easier with a full load. When I've less on board I don't mind throttling back a bit to keep the revs at the the 6K max. I think your testing will help to set mine up properly as well. Hydraulic tabs are a good choice. Maybe my Smart tabs will work out better with the new pistons. Thats a good tip on the rope fender. I removed mine for the winter and am planning to try and get the green and general dirt off it before treating it. I read elsewhere on the forum about using Linseed oil. I'll have to look into this in more detail and will keep your suggestion in mind. Cheers Andy

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Message 24 of 48
Posted by member Andy Mcmullan on Wednesday 4 February 2009

Steve Good luck with the installation. I think I would rather have my boat slightly under propped, to enable me to get on the plane easier with a full load. When I've less on board I don't mind throttling back a bit to keep the revs at the the 6K max. I think your testing will help to set mine up properly as well. Hydraulic tabs are a good choice. Maybe my Smart tabs will work out better with the new pistons. Thats a good tip on the rope fender. I removed mine for the winter and am planning to try and get the green and general dirt off it before treating it. I read elsewhere on the forum about using Linseed oil. I'll have to look into this in more detail and will keep your suggestion in mind. Cheers Andy

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Message 23 of 48
Posted by member Steve Hook on Tuesday 3 February 2009

Thanks Andy. I was thinking of going initially with a 17in pitch after chatting with Yam technical & possibly upping to an 18 if required.......your info on your 19pitch is as i thought might not achive full revs......I'm having the boat out this week & fitting hydraulic tabs & the new engine/prop......Just for any ones interest I'll be taking the rope fender off to dry out & then soaking in thompsons water seal (silicone based) in a plactic dust bin for a couple of days...........Ive done this a couple of times & rope is still great........Hopefully the Pilot will be back in the water by end Feb so I'll keep you posted Many thanks Steve Hook

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Message 22 of 48
Posted by member Andy Mcmullan on Sunday 1 February 2009

Hi Steve My current prop on my Pilot SE, is marked 13 x 19 -K I'm not sure if this is the orignial fitted with the engine. If you know what the standard fitment is I'd be interested in finding out. This is giving me about 5400K revs at full throttle with a couple of people on board and about 26.5 knots. I have had a look on ebay and can see a 13 1/4 x 17. I think this would likely be the prop size I will try next. The item on Ebay is item no. 360113267075 It will be April before I'll be able to post back with any more info. When I launch then, I'll be spending some time setting my Smart Tabs, (trim tabs) up. I fitted these last year and could not achieve my old top speed mentioned above. I got new weaker pistons recently so hopefully these will raise my top speed by a couple of knots as suggested by Smart Tabs. I'm not looking to go that fast, just trying to make sure everything is set up properly. Once I get the prop correct she may ultimately lose a few knots, which is fine as I think Pilots are happiest below 20 Knots anyway. Keep me posted on how you get on with this. Cheers Andy

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Message 21 of 48
Posted by member Steve Hook on Saturday 31 January 2009

message for Andy Mcmullan. Hi Andy..noticed that you have a yamaha 80 & are changing the prop to achive max revs (not sure what boat your on) I'm just in the process of fitting a Yam 80 4stroke to my pilot 20 info on your prop sizes would be most usefull thanks Steve Hook

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Message 20 of 48
Posted by member Andy Mcmullan on Thursday 22 January 2009

Hi Andrew I think the Hardy Fishing 20 is rated to 75Hp. The speed you mention seems achievable with the correct prop and trim tabs fitted. 4 Adult crew will be a noticeable weight in the boat. I can't comment on fishing 4 in the cockpit as I have a Pilot 20. Cheers Andy

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Message 19 of 48
Posted by member Andrew Davies on Friday 16 January 2009

Hi I am looking at a Hardy 20, only seen pictures but in your opinion is here enough room to take 4 fishing in the cockpit ?(Does not look that big). Also it is stated by the owner that the speeds obtained with the 75hp Marina are 18 knts cruising - 20 knts top speed. Also what is the limit on the engine size I could bolt on the back ? Regards Andrew

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Message 18 of 48
Posted by member Paul Hatch on Saturday 10 January 2009

HELLO I AM LOOKING FOR A HARDY FISHING 20 COCKPIT COVER NEW OR USED,IF ANYONE CAN HELP I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THEM .THANKS PAUL

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Posted by member Terry Pedersen on Thursday 24 April 2008

Hello all, I wonder if anyone can help, I have just acquired a Hardy 20 and I am seeking a sturdy trailer. It doesn't have to be pretty, more servicable and cost effective would be good. (NW) Cheers Terry

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Posted by member Patrick O'Sullivan Isle Of Bute on Tuesday 28 August 2007

I've just checked my compression on the 3 cylinder johnson 60hp and all 3 cylinders are reading 625psi, I have reached 20 knots on a two way run up and down the Kyles of Bute. I can stay on the plane at 10 knots, but I still need to check fuel consumption. Regards Pat

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Posted by member Angus Geddes on Friday 27 July 2007

Hey Patrick, Rev counter would be useful, but you may find that once you get on the plane you could throttle back to a point where the boat will stay on the plane and not drop off it. Use your ears to detect what the engine is doing [without the tacho] if you have power tilt you can fiddle around with small adjustments listening to the engine to obtain the best speed/rev/bearable noise/ combo. 2 gallons an hour equates favourably with my Tohatsu 70 2stroke with similar sounding use.

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Posted by member Patrick O'Sullivan Isle Of Bute on Monday 23 July 2007

Hi Rob and Damian, Thanks for your info,I can now check my speed over the ground and it was 8 knots on my GPS. I changed my spark plugs to recommended champions and now get 15.1 Knots full throttle 2 up and 13 knots 4 up. It will plane easily and 1 hours useage in the kyles of Bute at various speeds with four adults on board used 2 gallons of petrol.Do I need a rev. counter to check the engines efficientcy?

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Posted by member Marwin In Norway on Thursday 5 July 2007

Cleaned the hull (not done the last 10 years!) and put on primer and self-polishing paint Result: Gained more 3 knots on the GPS! By the way: 50 Hp BigFoot is NOT enought for the Regatta. And definetly to small getting the 20 feet Hardy in plane.I have NO beleve in finns on the motor. Better to mount trim flaps on stern! Regards Marwin in Norway

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Message 12 of 48
Posted by member Damian on Wednesday 27 June 2007

Patrick, Take a look at the thread under miscellaneous topics section titled 'Rope or not? 60 enough' dated 21/9/05. This should answer your question. You may have the wrong prop on.

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Message 11 of 48
Posted by member Rob Williams on Monday 25 June 2007

HI PATRICK HAVE A LOOK AT MY POST PROP 1992 YAMAHA MAY HELP I CAN ALSO ADD I FITTED DOEL FINS THEY MADE A SLIGHT DIFFERANCE BUT EVEN WITH THE CHANGES THAT I MADE I DONT THINK YOU WILL GET ON THE PLANE WITH MORE THAN ONE CREW MIGHT HELP SEND THEM UP THE FRONT

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Message 10 of 48
Posted by member Patrick O'Sullivan on Wednesday 20 June 2007

Hi Eveyone, I've just bought a Fishing 20 with 60Hp 2 stroke Johnson outboard and I can't get it to plane. Am I underpowered, the prop has fins could they be stopping me getting up.Do I need weight on the bow to keep her nose down. Regards Pat

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Message 9 of 48
Posted by member Marwin In Norway on Tuesday 31 October 2006

Hello Jo. Welcome to site. 50 Hp is too small if you want the Hardy 20 planning. 75 Hp is far better. I have Hardy Regatta 19 and a new 75 Hp eTec from Evinrude (60 Hp is max Hp advice from Hardy...) No problem going 24 knots with 3-4 persons aboard. IF you mount inboard diesel (a BIG and costly job!!) and want to get the boat into planning, I think 100 Hp is recomended, do to more motor WEIGHT.

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Message 8 of 48
Posted by member Steve Streets on Monday 31 July 2006

James Riley, Telephone Hardy Marine on: Tel:+44(0)1692 408700, they will give you the exact date of manufacture.

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Posted by member Dominic And Nicoila Gribbin on Saturday 29 July 2006

Hello James. This is is an oft asked question on the HOC forum and the answer is always the same. Contact the builders Hardy Marine of Norfolk directly and quote them the number 837. They will tell you all you need to know. They are very helpful. Regards Dom.

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Posted by member Mr James L. Riley on Tuesday 25 July 2006

I have a HARDY 20 No 837 is there any way to tell it's age from that No James L. Riley

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Message 5 of 48
Posted by member James on Tuesday 11 July 2006

Hi there Mike Skipsey. There is a bit of software called Propcalc apparently which might give you the answer. Other places that might be worth a look are http://www.castlemarine.co.uk/your.htm http://www.propellerworld.co.uk http://www.yachtworks.net/Store/engine.htm If you want another opinion,got to ybw.com and go to forums. Click on on the Motor Boat (''mobo'') section and post a question there. You don't need to register but there's really no reason not to and you might get a better response anyway! A huge font of knowledge there. p.s. if you use the ybw forum search for propcalc there is a link from one of the forumites. p.p.s. Let us know the results as My Dad has a Navigator too!!!!!!!!! Good Prop hunting :=) I apologise for the thread - jack James

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Posted by member Mike Skipsey on Thursday 6 July 2006

I am a recent owner of a Navigator 18 with Johnson 50. Present propellor is a 12-1/4 x 15. Can anyone advise if this is the optimum prop size please. Many thanks if you can help.

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Message 3 of 48
Posted by member Mike Walker on Tuesday 4 July 2006

Hi andrew You would be better of just contacting hardy themselves I bought 6 metres to do my pilot if my memory serves me right it only costs about £9 pounds a linear metre but it is 2 metre wide good deal for 9 quid regards mike

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Posted by member Andrew Cross on Tuesday 20 June 2006

can anybody tell me were i can purchase one square metre of either the blue carpet or the biscuit coloured hessian roof lining for my HF20 circa 1990 regards Andy Cross

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Posted by member Jo on Thursday 27 October 2005

Hello, Congratulatios with the Internet site. I have a question, concerning type hardy 20 outboard. is it possible to build inboard diesel, or saildrive. is there possibility. Now it is fitted with a 50 pk 2 takt outboard. I think concerning purchase. I live in Belgium. Sorry for my bad English. Greetings and thanks:: jo.

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