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Message 28 of 28
Posted by member Steve Gibbs on Tuesday 29 May 2012
have just bought a 18 motor sailor , does anyone have a diagram as to how the mast and components fit together , and yes i am a total novice at sailing .
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Message 27 of 28
Posted by member Simon Kidd on Sunday 20 November 2011
Mal,
Great to hear your view on the 18MS -very useful, I'm glad you're liking the Hardy experience. She must be the fartherst Hardy from where she was built in Norfolk!! Are you Hardy club members? - I imagine you'll get the distance award!!
Best Wishes
Simon.
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Message 26 of 28
Posted by member Mal Hill on Friday 18 November 2011
We have been for our first real sail in the Hardy 18 M/S, wind was about 10 to 15 knots, a journey of about ten miles, the course was close to a broad reach. We also tested her for pointing up and going about. We did not raise the transom mounted outboard so it was creating drag. The sea was fairly flat.
Our impressions ? She is a practical sail boat, if you want to enjoy cruising with only the sound of the water she will do what you ask. She does everything a small yacht should do. She is not fast, but we did not expect her to be.
In my experience anything designed for two different roles seldom does both well. The compromises between sailboat and motor boat on the Hardy are quite satisfactory.
We have been used to trailer sailers that we beach overnight, We have to change that habit and also monitor the depth.
So are we happy with our Hardy ? too right we are.
Mal in Australia
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Message 25 of 28
Posted by member Peter on Monday 26 September 2011
Hej. 26-09-2011.
Jeg har en Hardy 18 fod motor sejler med indenbors motor.
Jeg har flyttet motoren ud på en badebro som jeg selv har lavet, den kan vippes helt op af vandet.Det er en Suzuki 15 hk 4 taks den kan sejle maks 6 knob men har haft problemer med at styre, så jeg har svejset nogle plader på motoren ved propellen så nu virker alt meget godt. Det har givet meget plads indenbors Ca. 2*2 m
Sejler i Kattegat Danmark.
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Hello. 26-09-2011
I have a Hardy 18 foot motor sailing with indenbors engine.
I have moved the engine out pa ¥ a jetty which I have made, it can be tilted up by vandet. Det is a Suzuki 15 hp 4 yew it can sail max 6 knots but has had trouble controlling, so I have welded some plates pa ¥ engine by the propeller search ¥ now everything works very well. It has given much space indenbors Ca 2 * 2 m
Sailing the Kattegat, Denmark.
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Message 24 of 28
Posted by member Spencer Webb on Monday 20 June 2011
Hi. I was wondering if anyone has any info on the engine well,and if there was a cover. Hardy 18 m/s or any photos someone could send me.
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Message 23 of 28
Posted by member Mal Hill on Thursday 12 May 2011
We have the boat out of the water now, looks like the cast iron is bolted to the the bottom of the hull and not encased in the GRP.
BTW We went for a test sail, she performed better than expected.
Mal in OZ
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Message 22 of 28
Posted by member Mal Hill on Monday 9 May 2011
Looking at buying a Hardy 18 Motor Sailer. Apparently it was shipped over by a person emigrating to Australia in the late 80s. Our last boat was a 20 foot trailer sailer designed by Bruce Farr. We don't expect the Hardy to sail like the Farr, but as we are in our 70s the wheelhouse arrangement suits our time in life. The boat we are looking at has the outboard on a bracket on the starboard side.
Seems the ballast is cast iron and encased in the shoal draft keel. Are there any known problems about the cast iron rusting and damaging the GRP ? Any comments would be appreciated.
Mal in Oz
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Message 21 of 28
Posted by member David Lewis on Saturday 31 July 2010
I've just bought a Hardy 18 motorsailer. Three queries come to mind:
1. The outboard well is very large and takes a very large chunk out of the transom, which would put me off taking it to sea. I can imagine a following sea pushing up through it over the engine and even into the cockpit. Has anybody experienced this? What could be done about it? I've been considering placing a sheet of aluminium over the gap in the transom, and/or stuffing items (eg towels) around the top of the engine? Any ideas?
2. The mast seems very short at less than the length of the boat. I've been considering replacing it with a longer mast (off a Skipper 17) which is much longer (and has no back stay). Any ideas?
3. I want to trailer-sail the boat and hence I'm having to consider a simple way of raising and lowering the mast on my own. I've been considering using a lightweight aluminium ladder in the cockpit to push the mast up to a sufficient height to enable me to pull it vertical with the R/R forstay. Any ideas? Note that omitting the backstay would also simplify things.
Regards David Lewis
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Message 20 of 28
Posted by member Colin Hicklin on Tuesday 13 April 2010
My neighbour has recently bought a Hardy 22 motor sailor and as a sailor myself I helped them at the weekend. When we rigged it and took it for a test sail the boat continually pinched into the wind with heavy weather helm. If I started to pin the main in with any kind of tension on the mainsheet the weather helm became intolerable.
I appreciate that the mast probably needs to drop back to help preven this but I wondered if anyone had any baseline rig settings for shroud/forestay length and how to measure rake to stop this happening.
Any help you can give would be hugely appreciated.
Best wishes,
Colin Hicklin
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Message 19 of 28
Posted by member Andy Mcmullan on Friday 10 July 2009
Hi Darren
I have a Pilot 20 SE and find it an excellent all round boat.
The accomodation would be more spacious than the Navigator and it would benefit from the dedicated toilet compartment. Dominic and Nicola Gribben have taken their Pilot round Britain so the sea keeping is exellent if you're careful.
The Navigator needs less horse power to get planing performance. It will be towable with a lighter vehicle due to it's lower weight.
The best way to get a feel for each boat is to take a sea trial in each.
Cheers Andy
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Message 18 of 28
Posted by member Darren on Wednesday 8 July 2009
i am looking at geting my first boat and would something which i can take out to sea, sleep on over a weekend and generally fish from. i have been looking at the hardy navigator 18 and would just like to ask how people find this boat and would it be suitable for what i want
many thanks
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Message 17 of 28
Posted by member Linda Fox on Friday 26 June 2009
We are thinking of buying a Hardy 18 and wonder if any owners take theirs on the canals and whether the beam prevents them being used on the narrow canals
Thank you
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Message 16 of 28
Posted by member Peter on Wednesday 3 January 2007
Some pics of my hardy in hardy details the brush strip round the tiler stops the winter draughts alarm by the sink might be some ideas for some people there cut two holes in the steps for circle lockers keep the beer in it nice and cold http://new.photos.yahoo.com/peterboo1/album/576460762382076581
copy and paste this link to see them
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Message 15 of 28
Posted by member Peter on Sunday 31 December 2006
Reading your comments about changing your 20 pilot to a sailer a couple of things the roof of the sailer has steel to support the mast in the fiberglass plus the sailers have a long line keel the pilot 20 is a planing hull only and would not hold a course you would be blown sideways and topple over without the cwts of cast iron keel as for the other comments about seaworthiness l own a 20 sailer stripped it bare redid it all the wheel house is now the same material as campervans which finishes it off has everything you can think of on it radar auto pilot inverter chart plotter linked to dsc radio auto pilot and radar tv dvd and I've been round Scotland in her last year round Rattery head in big seas northerly 5 to 7 in at least a 6 metre swell with tops breaking off the waves crying for my mum thinking what the hell am l doing this year going through the Forth and Clyde down to the Isle of Man lm from Anstruther in Fife l go out all year long in carmi and always got home safe l go out when the fishing boats stay in short if this doesn’t answer your question about sea worthiness I've fitted out quarter of a million pound fishing boats been prawn fishing and wouldn’t swap my 20 for a bigger boat if it gets big seas just drop a drogue over the back and its never broached on me yet Raymarine st 2000 is quicker response time than the 1000 for winter seas to the man going to convert his 20 pilot don’t buy the sailor with the right hull for the job Peter
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Message 14 of 28
Posted by member Mr James L. Riley on Friday 29 December 2006
My boat (cracker ) is a 20+ moter sailer and is based in France at Port Madik .My wife and I have saild+moterd to La Roshell for the boat show in September ,and can say the Hardy is a very Good sea boat
,next year we intend to take her on the Frence canals
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Message 13 of 28
Posted by member Peter Child on Sunday 22 October 2006
RE : Mast for motor sailer.
Hi,
The mast is approx' 4.9 metres in length. it is complete with all stays, crosstrees, boom, roller reefing for the forestay and with battened main and genoa.
i am based on the west coast of scotland near to Dunoon. type pa21 2ep into a route finder and hey presto!...there we are.
it's a nice place for a weekend away or I can arrange shipping if neccessary.
regards
peter c
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Message 12 of 28
Posted by member Peter Child on Wednesday 18 October 2006
hi,
Yes it is....i'll measure and get back to you.
regards
peter c
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Message 11 of 28
Posted by member Rober on Sunday 15 October 2006
I am thinking of buying a Hardy Pilot either an 18 0r 20, can anyone tell me if there is any difference in handling? Also what do the Pilots handle like at sea and what is a safe distance to take them offshore? Thanks, Rob
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Message 10 of 28
Posted by member Frank Belgrove on Wednesday 11 October 2006
To Peter Child,
If mast etc. is still for sale please let me have details - height is important as several different height masts are fitted. Your location would be very helpful also! Thanks.
Frank
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Message 9 of 28
Posted by member Brian on Tuesday 3 October 2006
I am considering buying a Hardy 18 with a 50hp outboard.Should an o/board for this boat be a short or long shaft.I'd be grateful for any information before going ahead with the purchase..Thank you
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Message 8 of 28
Posted by member Peter Child on Tuesday 26 September 2006
as per previous item....the boat i bought is riding reall high in the water. do any owners use additional ballast?....if so, how much?
I have already compensated for the removal of the mast with sufficient lead, so i don't think this is the cause.
regards
Peter Child
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Message 7 of 28
Posted by member Peter Child on Monday 25 September 2006
To the gentleman who was asking about converting from motor to motor sailer.
I have just bought a hardy motor sailer and plan to use her as a motor only boat. I therefore have a full set of mast, rigging and sails for sale. If you're interested in continuing with your plan. please contact me on 01700 811 198.
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Message 6 of 28
Posted by member Mick Wilson on Tuesday 25 July 2006
For the gentleman who wants to turn a motorboat into a motor sailer, I would say 'Ask the family', if they are a factor in the equation. I used to have a Colvic Watson 26' motorsailer, moored Emsworth, Hampshire, & regularly sailed on the Solent. One day during powerboat week we had a spectacular 'accident' at the entrance to Cowes & River Medina. A nut on the roller reefing came undone & the whole 9m stay & genoa lifted into the air, to the delight of onlookers onshore. I brought the boat to wind, told my wife - not a sailer - to hold the wheel, jumped up on the cabin & had about 10 seconds to gather & lash the whole sail & stay before we hit something. Fortunately we had no collision, but it put my wife off sailing again & that was in the mid-1990s that was an expensive nut. Recently in Looe, Cornwall, I pointed to a boat & said 'What about one of those?' My wife said 'I like that, looks nice & safe, what is it?' 'Hardy Pilot' I said, so guess what I want for Xmas! Hardy, thank you, you have saved my dreams, but as for mixing motors & sail, I would say forget it. If you want to sail buy a proper yacht that can turn to wind at the flick of a tiller, but if you want to actually get ther in time for a pint & the wife wants to put her lippy on whilst you are on the move, get a motorboat.
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Message 5 of 28
Posted by member Mr James L. Riley on Tuesday 30 May 2006
After sailing Boats for 23 years I have just soled my Jauer 23 for a Hardy 20 sailboat I will be taking her to France in June to a town called Concarnue I will tellyou haw she performs J.L.Riley
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Message 4 of 28
Posted by member Patrick Harris on Tuesday 11 April 2006
The Hardy 18 M/S seems to have at least two different configurations for outboard motor fix - one where the outboard is in a well in the centre of transom with the option of spare outboard on transom bracket and another configuration, where sole outboard is on transom bracket and the battery box is in the central well position. Although I have no practical experience in sailing either, it would seem that the former configuration is more suited/flexible for inshore/coastal use, whilst the latter configuration seems more suited to inland waterways. I would be interested if any member who has experience in using Hardy 18 M/S in an inshore role (with the latter configuration) to contact me with advice.
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Message 3 of 28
Posted by member Defay Jean-Louis on Wednesday 8 March 2006
Is it possible to transform a Hardy pilot 20 family in motor sailor and with which material? (mast,mainsail , genoa and rolling genoa....
thank you for your help
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Message 2 of 28
Posted by member Robert Gore on Tuesday 15 November 2005
The practical Boat Owner magazine have produced some excellent articles on Motor sailers and I can recommend buying their reports from their copy service. They featured both the Hardy HM537 and the Hardy HM6.I have a Hardy Motor Sailer which spent its earlier years in and around the Solent ( with a previous Owner ) and now I have bought it it is based near Fowey in Cornwall and I enjoy sailing it down to Falmouth and up to Plymouth. Do get the reports from the Practical Boat Owner because the Boats were tested by the experts who have more experience than I (will ever) have and in the light of my 3 years of experience with this boat I could not fault their report
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Message 1 of 28
Posted by member John Mulcahy on Monday 17 October 2005
Hello, I was hoping I could get some advice from this club's membership. I'm currently looking a getting into sailing, my only real experience with the sea is my time as a marine engineer with the Army and a sailing course with the joint forces sailing club bringing me to RYA crew-comp. From this I have developed a great taste especially for the Solent and Channel. My friend is currently selling his Hardy 18 motor sailor, but has only ever used it on the lakes of Scotland. The boat seems just the right size for what I need to get my hours up and enjoy sailing altogether, but would this craft be suitable for the Solent and possibly venturing across to France on a good day?
Any help greatly appreciated
- John.M
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