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Message 19 of 19
Posted by member colin and angela on Monday 1 July 2024

The windows on our MS18 were leaking, when we got the boat up here last year, the front cabin window was covered in blue tape, I presume to stop the ingress of water, this wasn't present when we previously saw it.

I had other more important things to get on with, so really didn't get around to remowing this tape until late last year, All the rubber seals on the boat appear to be in good condition, ie, they are not cracked or perished in any way which is the way they seem to go, Problem is, there are large gaps where the seals meet, as if they were stretched when cut and fitted and have since crept back. (evident on other Hardy's)

There is some slight crazing to the perspex, never seen one that hasn't been this way - however, in my opinion, not bad enough to warrant replacement, all the Pilot house windows are of course toughened glass - but the seals also have gaps.

As most will know from around July last year, it never stopped raining, so every time we visited the boat, it was a question of pumping the water from the bilges, she's on the hard so the water has to have been coming in the windows, however, the bulkhead carpet surrounding the front window was damp, so this was deemed the main culprit, so, on one of the days without rain in it (it was forecast but didn't arrive) I painstakingly removed all the blue tape and glue residue from the rubber seal and surrounding fibreglass and cleaned it as best I could, then ran a clear silicone bead along the top edges of the rubber seal. The gap in the rubber was at the bottom and now not sealed with any tape, so I had purchased some self adhesive rubber tape, cut a large patch and stuck it over the gap on the outside (boy the glue on this stuff was very high tac - get it in the wrong position and its permanent!

A week later after significant continuous rain storms, we were pleased to note that the front window sealing had worked perfectly, evident by the now dry bulkhead carpet surround and almost total lack of water in the bilges.
Indeed over the wet/stormy winter months, this has continued to be the case. Minimal water ingress was noted on the other windows, upon inspection, the rubber window seal holds the glass slightly outboard of the fibreglass.
I have taken the time to cut and fit the rubber tape patches to cover the joins on all windows, both inside and out, not only looks better than the gap but also helps to keep the rain out!

The inserts to the rubber seals have seen better days and show weathering to the material they are composed of, so I really could do with replacement inserts if I can find them!

I am just amazed at how watertight this little Hardy is, having owned two previous boats over the years, none were so watertight. Having gone to great pains to fit an automatic electric bilge pump alongside recommissioning the original manual pump, both of which work fine, I have yet to need to use them as the most I get out of the bilge is a tea cup full usually removed from the saloon floor access hatch with a sponge!

Happy Days!

Col (& Angie)

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Message 18 of 19
Posted by member Harriet Thomson on Saturday 29 June 2024

We have recently replaced our rubber surround windows on our Hardy Pilot 20. As far as we could find there are lots of possible rubber mouldings available, but we decided to go with what was originally fitted which seems to be available only from Seals Direct. They delivered two days after the order. Very efficient. All removed and refitted with new perspex. What a difference. We have replaced the ceiling and upper wall side lining (High Flex Velour) supplied by Kasyospruce Ltd in Segensworth, Hampshire. Just need to sort a new rope fender around the boat, I think we will be going for the synthetic hemp from Chatham Ropes. We will have to re-make the wire as the one one the boat is a three strand rope covered in the coir cover which has all rotted. We have one unsolved area, the helms seat appears to be a bar stool which is not attached at all to the floor. We have seen a ladder style frame in what looks like square section aluminium. Are these just made up or is it something we have to acquire from somewhere. Thoughts please
Thanks in advance

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Message 17 of 19
Posted by member Roger Piper on Monday 26 March 2007

Stan Nesbitt or Dominic Gibbin Am about to replace windows in motor sailer 20. On removing window I see a thin film of black flaky substance and assume it is a mastic or sealant. Did you use a sealant , and if so what was it ? Regards Roger Piper

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Message 16 of 19
Posted by member Dominic And Nicola Gribbin on Monday 26 March 2007

Hi Roger When recently replacing our windows for the fixed and sliding aluminium type, we used (as had been used by Hardy originally on our rubber framed windows) marine grade silcon sealant. Translucent this time not the original black. Available from any chandlery. This material allows GRP superstructure flexure and enables repair/removal at a later date as some mastics could render the windows stuck fast and difficult to budge. Ted Childs assures me our article on exactly this matter will be in this April's HOC Magazine. Look out for it. Good luck with the job Dominic and Nicola.

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Message 15 of 19
Posted by member Howard Dearman on Friday 2 March 2007

I fitted sliding windows to my seawings 194 last winter. For a few hundred pounds it has transformed my enjoyment of using the boat by removing the feeling of being cramped and cut off from the outside. I removed one window to make a template and the only difficult part was in aligning the screw fixings on the front lower edge.

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Message 14 of 19
Posted by member Tor Inge Olsen (Norway) on Sunday 11 September 2005

Hi, you have done a very good job with your boat. I`m near to buy a similar build in 1986 and are inerested in more information of this boats. See link to the boat: http://www.finn.no/finn/boat/object/ pdc=1126458851210 jsessionid=aOcCfvYdC2ggO4Flgz?finnkode=5852944 I hope some of you can give me a bit info. I am interesed in good and bad sides of the boat. Ragards Tor Inge Olsen (located in Stavanger Norway)

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Message 13 of 19
Posted by member Dominic Gribbin on Thursday 10 March 2005

Hi Chris A quote from Stan Nesbitt's earlier advice on this matter 14 Nov 04 Regards, Dominic. ''On the outside of the window retaining rubber there is a 'filler strip' which you need to remove first by prising the end out from the mould ing and then pulling the filler strip out all round the window. The perspex will now be easily removable outwards whilst leaving the rubber window moulding in place. Take the old window to a perspex stockist (Look in Yellow Pages under plastics windows - perspex) and get him to cut you a new one to match the original. Taking it to a 'Marine' company will mean paying probably four times the price for the same thing. This is easily inserted into the original surround rubber. The more difficult part begins now! You'll need a special insertion tool to get the filler strip back in. You may be able to borrow one from a xcoachbuilder, a car windrcreen firm or similar (Including caravan repairer. Otherwise you'll have to buy one. There are a couple of firms who advertise in Practical Boat Owner under 'Fitting out' suggest you try 'Seals + Direct' on 0845 226 3345. They can also supply a new window rubber and/or the filler strip if the old one is in poor condition. Come back to me on the website if you need any more info''. Stan Nesbitt

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Message 12 of 19
Posted by member Chris Rendell on Tuesday 8 March 2005

Has anyone had a problem with leaky cabin windows on the family Pilot I need to replace the rubber suround but need to know the actual thickness of the cabin wall to enable me to order the correct window rubber profile . The Pilot is 9 years old Regards Chris Rendell

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Message 11 of 19
Posted by member Julie on Friday 27 August 2004

I have a Hardy seawings 254 and this is also a pain for me when entering my berthing due to small space, I find extra weight in bow area slightly helps, if you find a better solution contact me many thanks Julie

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Message 10 of 19
Posted by member John Carter on Tuesday 8 July 2003

I have a Hardy 25 with a Volvo Penta AQ151C engine and a Volvo Penta 290 Powertrim drive, the steering is power assisted, but at slow speeds it is dificult to maintain a straight course, has anyone else got the same problem or can suggest a way of improving it?

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Message 9 of 19
Posted by member Chris Rendell on Friday 4 July 2003

I have just bought a Hardy 20 Family pilot and I'm having troble with slight leaks in two of the 3 cabin windows ( front and starboard sides ) I'm reluctant to take the windows out without having new rubber sections to replace . Any thoughts

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Message 8 of 19
Posted by member Chris Rendell on Friday 4 July 2003

I have just bought a Hardy 20 Family pilot. Any ideas on antifouling for the Z drive. I have given two coats of Blakes Z drive but makes very little differance to the weed sticking.

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Message 7 of 19
Posted by member Paul Douglas on Sunday 12 May 2002

Hi Jon Yes, it would be interesting to see the pics of your Hardy modifications. I may try for a fridge under the helm seat some time in the future, and would be interested. I'm currently shifting the batteries to a purpose made vented, sealed locker under the front bed base, to shift the weight forward and central (they're on the 'drivers' side at the moment), and also throw the rear locker spare for me to refit the webasto diesel heater that the previous owner had fitted. regards Paul

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Message 6 of 19
Posted by member Jon Masterson on Wednesday 8 May 2002

Paul Windows are a bit expensive - I got lucky - Hardy had a 'left over' set in the stores (picked them up from the factory last Friday). I think it is about £250 per window to get new one's built, but I managed quite a bit better than that. I'm the same with woodworking machines - I'm definitely not a hand worker. My shop is very small so everything is done in sequence and by machine. The new seating arrangement over the galley looks very nice. I'm about to pull out the old holding tank (which is alongside the helm) and replace the loo with a portable one. Also I'm puting in a new locker under the helm to take a bigger fridge (Isotherm 65) and some extra storage space. I've got some pictures which I can put up on my website if anyone is interested. regards Jon

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Message 5 of 19
Posted by member Paul Douglas on Saturday 27 April 2002

Hi Jon I was tempted to change the windows for the sliders but I thought they might be a tad expensive ? Wow, I wouldn't class myself as a cabinetmaker ! I put it down to marvelous gadgets like routers and radial saws etc.. I find a can get a good result fairly quickly, which spurs me on. I've just added a few more pics showing my new passenger seat/galley modifications. Good luck with your Hardy. regards Paul

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Message 4 of 19
Posted by member Masterson on Tuesday 23 April 2002

Paul I'm just in the process of refitting my Pilot (1988) and your pictures have given me the inspiration to go further. I have just finished rewiring and am replacing the toilel, fridge etc. Also adding a solar panel since the battery system can no longer keep up with all the demands of modern equipment and convenience. i am also replacing the fixed cockpit side windows with sliding ones, thanks to help from Hardy Marine. What I had not considered was re-furbishing the cockpit lockers and engine bay cover. You are obviously experienced at working with wood! I'm a part time - soon to be full time cabinet maker, and I think I know what my next project will be............ regards Jon

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Message 3 of 19
Posted by member Paul Douglas on Tuesday 26 March 2002

Thanks Brian, yes it's kept me out of mischief for the past few months.... It was the conservatory actually, but yes, I was under threat if the carpet was marked ! Good luck with your Hardy acquisition this year. Regards Paul

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Message 2 of 19
Posted by member Paul Douglas on Saturday 23 March 2002

I've spent the winter months refurbishing and modifying my 1989 Hardy Family Pilot. If anyone is interested, I've published some of the pictures on the web at: http://www.shorebase.co.uk/boating/hardy/hardy.asp If anyone has any questions/suggestions/helpful comments, please don't hesitate to email me. (hoping I won't regret this !!)... ( oh, and I've just re-engined her with a new Suzuki EFI 50hp 4 stroke, so I'll be feeding back the performance information to the club as soon as I've run her in...) Paul Douglas

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Message 1 of 19
Posted by member Brian Sweeting on Saturday 23 March 2002

Paul, you appear to have been busy this past winter. I take it that Sarah doesn't mind you oiling your woodwork in the lounge judging by the picture of the new cockpit pieces. ) Anyway, good job, well done. I am hoping to acquire a Hardy this year and as it won't be a new one it is good to see what can be done to revive an older boat. Brian

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